Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyäni

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. The consensus isn't exactly strong, but I have given greater weight to the two convincing delete rationales after the second relisting. Bishonen | talk 22:31, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Kyäni

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Non notable pyramid scheme. Lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Current sourcing is listing, non reliable sources and PR. Other press releases exist such as this but there is a lack of good independent sourcing. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:29, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:08, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Health and fitness-related deletion discussions. Lemongirl942 (talk) 10:08, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Keep - Company is an international organization with multiple offices in the United States and beyond, has revenue over US$1 billion, and is covered in depth in multiple reliable sources as shown in the article itself. Failing at this, the article can be redirected to List_of_companies_based_in_Idaho. --Jax 0677 (talk) 11:11, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:54, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Health and fitness-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:54, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Idaho-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:54, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, st170e^talk 01:20, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

• Delete instead as I would've considered keeping but my searches have actually found nothing better so far, and the listed coverage is still questionable for helping the article be better. Notifying DGG for his analysis with these subjects. SwisterTwister talk 05:20, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
• Uncertain Attheir size they are likely to be notable, but the present references are impossibly weak. I would expect there would be some NPOV discussion of their products, not just their own press releases for them. DGG ( talk ) 13:23, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:05, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

• Comment - I just added a reference to TruthInAdvertising.org with a bunch of claims made by the organization as well as the response from the company. Since Wikipedia has many stubs, I still believe that deletion would indeed be premature at this point. --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:48, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
• Delete Sorry, but this fails WP:CORPDEPTH. I searched for sources and couldn't find reliable independent sources for it. The sources in the article are not sufficient. Here is an analysis

• TruthInAdvertising.org Advocacy group. Questionable reliability, possibly not independent
• arcadiacachamber.org Not independent, local chamber of commerce
• [1],[2],[3] - Not independent, Press releases by the company
• bestcompany.com Self published source, no indication how reliable and accepted their rating is
• evancarmichael.com Self published
• mlms.net Self published source
• articledashboard.com No indication of reliablity
• Manta.com This is a directory and we don't use entries for notability. In addition, Manta (web site) is possibly not notable as well.

Evaluating the above, I believe it does not pass GNG or CORPDEPTH and should be deleted. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 17:30, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

• Delete. Agree with Lemongirl942's comments above; blatantly fails WP:CORP and WP:GNG; no extensive coverage in reliable or independent sources. This is the typical Ponzi organisation that bombards the media with press releases and then seeks to create a "presence" on Wikipedia. They claim to help cure "cancer and diabetes based on proven science" - if this doesn't make one queasy, nothing will. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 16:46, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
• Comment - @DGG:, @Duffbeerforme:, @SwisterTwister:, @Lemongirl942:, @FoCuSandLeArN:, @Duffbeerforme:, one last minute thought, if Kyäni cannot be kept, shouldn't Kyani, the settlement in Greece be moved to this location? --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:57, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes. SwisterTwister talk 18:59, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: I guess after this is deleted, it can be turned into a redirect to Kyani. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 00:16, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

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